What do you think?

[Bill Dauterive]

http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=5829

[The Dude]

not surprising, man. If it is true.

[Coachguru]

not surprising, man. If it is true.

Are you serious?

[The Dude]

I just dont understand why he wouldnt release his actual birth certificate and verify he was born in Hawaii. What is he hiding. The one on his website is not an actual one. If we cant question who can run for President what the hell are we doing here? The people have a right to know. What is he hiding? It could all just go away if it was released.

[Coachguru]

I just dont understand why he wouldnt release his actual birth certificate and verify he was born in Hawaii. What is he hiding. The one on his website is not an actual one. If we cant question who can run for President what the hell are we doing here? The people have a right to know. What is he hiding? It could all just go away if it was released.

Let's say he was born in Kenya.  What would that matter?

[Bill Dauterive]

Let's say he was born in Kenya.  What would that matter?

He would not qualify to hold the office of president

[The Dude]

There is a little thing called the Constitution which forbades having an unnatural citizen as prez  man.

[Coachguru]

Isn't it too late now?

[The Dude]

The electors havent cast there vote have they? December is when they do it, man. I honestly dont know what would happen. I hope it isnt true. It would be even worse for the country man.

[Bill Dauterive]

http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/news/65-full-page-ad-in-washington-times-weekly-november-17-2008

[Coachguru]

The electors havent cast there vote have they? December is when they do it, man. I honestly dont know what would happen. I hope it isnt true. It would be even worse for the country man.

Maybe I am stupid, but I refuse to believe it would have gotten this far if he wasn't eligible to be president.

[wink1111]

Maybe I am stupid, but I refuse to believe it would have gotten this far if he wasn't eligible to be president.

No maybe about it...you are...

With the media running this country, anything is possible!

[Coachguru]

No maybe about it...you are...

With the media running this country, anything is possible!

You can't be this dumb in real life can you? 

[wink1111]

You can't be this dumb in real life can you? 

Not nearly as much as you!

[DarthX]

15:11 GMT +00:00
Born under a bad sign

Posted by:
    Economist.com l WASHINGTON

Categories:
    Barack Obama

THE offical certification of the November 4th election of Barack Obama will happen in the usual, incredibly archaic American fashion. On December 15th, the electoral college will meet, and the 365 electors won by Mr Obama will officially out-vote the 173 won by John McCain. On January 6th, both houses of Congress will meet and rubber-stamp the results. And in the month and a half from now to then, conspiracy theorists will try to stop both of these groups from getting this done.

This is a more recent American tradition: the last gasp of people who can't believe they lost. In 2000, after a race that actually was uncomfortably decided (Al Gore, the loser, got more votes nationwide than George Bush), activists hounded electoral-college electors to get them to change the result. In January 2001, several black members of Congress tried to challenge the election results of Florida. In 2004, a clear-cut Republican victory was delayed when Barbara Boxer, a Democratic senator from California, officially objected to Ohio's electoral vote, based on reports that black voters had been denied the franchise.

This year's challenge is the silliest yet. According to Patrik Jonsson of the Christian Science Monitor, a sizable number of conspiracy theorists are contacting members of the electoral college and trying to convince them that Mr Obama is not really an American citizen, and thus not eligible for the presidency.

    Melanie Siewert, a stay-at-home mom in Kernersville, N.C., says her lobbying efforts mark the first time she?s been actively involved in the political process. The questions raised by lawyers like Mr. Berg, she says, are substantial enough to throw doubt on Obama?s eligibility.

    ?I?m not asking electors to overturn their vote, but really to, before we vote, to make absolutely sure,? says Ms. Siewert, who has contacted most of North Carolina?s 15 electors. ?This is not being a sore loser or racist. This is just about ensuring that our leader is being truthful about who he is.?

The problem for people like Ms Siewert is that Mr Obama's citizenship is not in serious dispute. She's a believer in a bizarre theory debunked by the state of Hawaii and multiple biographers of Mr Obama.

For starters, there is no record of Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's late mother, ever travelling out of the United States in 1961. She married Mr Obama's father (a Kenyan national living in Hawaii) in February 1961, when she was already three months pregnant. The two moved into a small house in Honolulu. Six months later, Hawaii's two newspapers reported that a son had been born to "Mr and Mrs Barack H Obama". The conspiracy theory alleges that Dunham, 18 and pregnant, took an expensive international flight to a third-world country to meet a family that, by all accounts, disapproved of their son's choice of a second wife. No one, at the time or since, has ever discussed this. And that's what people like Ms Siewert spent the week telling electoral-college electors.

Myths like this can't be killed by dull things like facts and documentation. Mr Obama released a reprint of his Hawaiian birth certificate in June, and an online cottage industry of self-appointed "forgery experts" rose up to challenge its legitimacy. An Anabaptist minister named Ron McRae tried some detective work to prove that Mr Obama's African relatives were hiding the truth about their favourite son, and on October 16th he called the Obama household in Kenya to get his 86-year-old paternal step-grandmother, Sarah, to say she was there when Mr Obama was born.

Mr McRae has signed onto the most famous Obama citizenship lawsuit, filed by troubled Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg (who twiced sued President Bush for his "role" in the 9/11 attacks), and given the court a partial transcript of a conversation wherein a translator says Mrs Obama was "present" when the president-elect was born. Ill-advisedly, Mr McRae then made the whole tape available... in which it's clear that Sarah Obama's translator, Vitalis Akech Ogombe, misunderstood the way Mr McRae phrased the question. When Mr McRae rephrases it, hilarity ensues.

    MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

    OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

    MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

    OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

    MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

    OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

That's from a conversation cited in a lawsuit that aims to prove Mr Obama was not born in America. That's what the poor voters of the electoral college will have to deal with for a few more weeks.

[Bill Dauterive]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/STTPTiwOS9I/AAAAAAAABqI/BaaRCGMxZdM/s1600-h/We+The+People+Obama+Letter+Ad.bmp

[Coachguru]

Not nearly as much as you!

good comeback

[wink1111]

good comeback

Took a page out of your playbook.  I just wanted a comeback that was on your level.  Besides, I equate our banter to an argument with 4 year old...no matter how much logic is involved, you wouldn't listen anyway.

[Coachguru]

Took a page out of your playbook.  I just wanted a comeback that was on your level.  Besides, I equate our banter to an argument with 4 year old...no matter how much logic is involved, you wouldn't listen anyway.

It's funny you say that considering how uninformed you are.  Anyone reading that thread about what you think was going on with oil could see that.

[wink1111]

It's funny you say that considering how uninformed you are.  Anyone reading that thread about what you think was going on with oil could see that.

Not anyone...just you.  Besides I know nothing about oil and gas.  I don't have any first hand practical knowledge about the workings of the oil business.  Everything I know is what I read on the internet.  Oh wait....that's you! 

[Coachguru]

Not anyone...just you.  Besides I know nothing about oil and gas.  I don't have any first hand practical knowledge about the workings of the oil business.  Everything I know is what I read on the internet.  Oh wait....that's you! 

According to you oil companies can't make money with oil at $35/barrel so you 1st hand knowledge isn't worth a *crap*.

[wink1111]

According to you oil companies can't make money with oil at $35/barrel so you 1st hand knowledge isn't worth a *crap*.

When $35/bbl oil affects my year end bonus...yeah I have a problem with that!

But yeah, you're right, my first hand knowledge may be worth *crap*, but my retirement account will put yours to shame!  Have fun with TRS!

[Coachguru]

When $35/bbl oil affects my year end bonus...yeah I have a problem with that!

But yeah, you're right, my first hand knowledge may be worth *crap*, but my retirement account will put yours to shame!  Have fun with TRS!

dumas

[wink1111]

dumas

So you have to resort to name calling?  You've just moved into the "Shock" category.  I expected so much more....so much more!

[Bill Dauterive]

So you have to resort to name calling?  You've just moved into the "Shock" category.  I expected so much more....so much more!

Perhaps he was referencing Aloexander Dumas, the author wrote "The Count of Monte Cristo"

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